Monday, April 27, 2009

Mails!

Someone in my wing sent an email and got a response so I am posting both of them here. The response is exceptionally enlightening. (Names have been removed to protect the innocent).


Hello Travian Plus Support,

I am writing you today to ask about some recent concerns I have with the gold system and billing. I play on the account XXX on the USx server, and have recently started to purchase gold as I see the power it offers. My trouble comes from an alliance member who has run into an issue with the gold system, and it raises concerns in my own mind. One of the effected accounts is: XXX for reference sake.

To make a long story short, XXX and others have been banned recently as a result of a bug on your side of the gold buying system. Essentially this player purchased gold twice, but was charged a total of 14 times on her credit statement, and never received the gold she was falsely charged for. As if this is not scary enough, the real trouble comes from the lack of help travian offered this player, claiming that she some how spent 7200 gold in less then a month, and that the player had no options for bad gold purchases. She was even threatened, saying that if she alerted his credit card company she would be banned.

This raises a number of questions that I need answers to as a player who has recently started to purchase gold of my own, and I am going to be watching my credit card statements much more carefully:

1. What can I do if I buy gold and don't get it credited to my account?

2. What is the company policy for refunds based on unauthorized gold transactions? Weather a bug in the system or some other reason. We live in an insecure world, if some one steals my CC number and buys gold with it, am I at fault? From your responses to my friend it would seem so.

3. What is the company policy concerning accidental multiple purchases? If my computer locks up and I have to resubmit a purchase form, but I am billed twice, what happens?

4. What kind of logs are kept of all this? From what I have seen so far travian does not have logs showing gold being put into an account, or what it's spent on. It appears to be untracked totally.

Overall I am very concerned about both the safety of my credit, as well as the account I put a large amount of time into. It appears that travian is unable or unwilling to track and investigate money issues concerning an account. And that a normal reaction to a faulty charge -calling your credit card company- is met with hostile recourse.

Thanks for your time,
XXX

Hello,

Thank you for your question.

The first thing that is worth mentioning is that when a credit card payment is cancelled from the other end it actually charges Travian money, so that is why we ban accounts that cancel payments from their end. Furthermore credit card payments are controlled by a company entirely seperate to Travian.

1. If the gold isn't creditted then you can just email us with proof of purchase and we will find out the problem and credit the gold.
2. In this case it would not be you at fault, if you cancel the payment with the credit card company then the account that used it to purchase gold will be banned automatically.
3. In this case we will credit the gold for both payments due to the fact we cannot cancel the payments once they are in the hands of the other company.
4. We cannot discuss what logs are kept, but we do have a fair degree of information available.

One further word of advice would be that if you purchase gold through paypal Travian has far greater control over the transaction, so that can be simpler sometimes.

Kind regards,

US GameAdmin
Travian Team

Friday, April 24, 2009

The proof is in the pudding

Since I hadn't been having luck getting my gold usage log from Travian when I mentioned that my account was banned and that I was having problems with gold disputes, I decided to send a very innocuous email last night, feigning curiousity about my accounts gold usage.

I woke up this morning to find that I had been mailed a log of my gold usage. I have it copies below.


Gold: 14
Gold (Bonus): 0
Gold spend: 908
Plus: 0 days till 07.04.2009 - 23:06 (x11) 165

wood +25% 0 Tage bis 11.04.2009 - 17:24 (x19) 95
clay +25% 0 Tage bis 11.04.2009 - 17:24 (x19) 95
iron +25% 0 Tage bis 11.04.2009 - 17:24 (x19) 95
crop +25% 0 Tage bis 11.04.2009 - 17:24 (x19) 95

attack +10% 0 Tage (x0) 0
defense +10% 0 Tage (x0) 0

"Complete construction orders & researches immediately." x15 30
NPC merchant x111 333

Yep. That's right. My total gold usage for the round is 908 gold. Which adds up since I purchased gold once and had gold left over from last round.

I have sent a new email to the Travian team requested that my account be unbanned given the evidence above, and the fact that I was banned for having the audacity to dispute charges on my credit card for gold that I know I didn't order, didn't receive and obviously never got... much less spent!

Thursday, April 23, 2009

The Plot

So basically here's the story.

I live with my boyfriend. We both play on Travian USx servers. Because we live together we follow the rules and put ourselves down as "same computer usage". There's a rule that limits every person to only one account. This way we can both have our own account without breaking the rules.

I was sick the first week of March and my boyfriend stayed at home to take care of me. As stated before, we both play Travian. We are also both very competitive so we both use gold. On the fateful March day that this ordeal began (March 5th to be precise), both of our accounts needed more gold. So we used our credit card and purchased gold for both accounts.

Everything continued as normal after that. We were blissfully unaware of the repeated charges our credit card was about to endure.

Flash forward 2 weeks:

It's March 23rd and the bill for our credit card is due. So like a good little consumer, I dutifully logged on to the credit card company website and go to pay my bill.

Imagine the shock and surprise I felt when I say that the card had not been charged twice in the month of March, but 7 times. There were 5 unauthorized charges ($125 total) on my credit card bill!

I immediately sent a message to the admin on my game server asking if there was a way to see what account those charges were applied to. In my naivety, I assumed that someone had cloned my credit card the last time I had purchased gold and had been using it to buy gold for their account. The admin (MH) responded, telling me that I needed to send a mail to the people that handle "plus" accounts (that is, accounts that use gold).

I played along and mailed the email address I had been given, knowing this had to be some big mistake and that the system would work for me and that it would all get fixed. The person who responded said they needed the name of my account, the server I was playing on and a proof of the charges (a screenshot of my credit card bill would suffice). I sent them the information they were wanting.

2 days later, I was given the following response:

"Hello,

Unfortunately if you wish to cancel the charges you will have to take it up with the bank and it will result in your account being banned. However if you wish to simply get the gold for the other charges then we can look into doing that."

I thought about it, and concluded that if the charges to my credit card were stopped, I could accept that as a solution. (However, there was now one additional charge to be added to the first 5).

The email exchange continued back and forth until I got my final email on April 9th.

"Hello,

We have checked with our plus department and they assure me that all the charges were requested by you and that you have recieved the gold for all of them on you account USx: xxx. I am told that you have also already spent a reasonable proportion of the gold, so that may be why it looks like you aren't getting any more."

I was livid when I got that response. Because by April 9th, there were a total of 11 faulty charges to my credit card. Before I continue, let me explain.

According to the above email, all of the gold had been credited to my account, not my boyfriends. So there were 11 unauthorized charges (6 after the time I first reported my problem), and 1 legitimate charge to my credit card. All of the charges were for 600 gold (a total of 7200, or $300).

Now then, some extra details for the Travian players out there. My account plus ran out around April 5th. My resource plusses ran out maybe a week later. I don't have offensive or defensive bonuses on my account, and never have. The string of gold charges began on March 5th. Today I have 14 gold left on the account and the account has not had any bonuses on it in 2 weeks at a minimum.

So... I am alleged to have used 7200 gold in one month and none of it went to making sure my account stayed "plussed" for weeks into the future.

Also of note, we're talking about a top 5 account and a nearly top 20 account, both in the top ranked alliance. I knew that if I called my credit card company and disputed the charges that both accounts would be banned. And I think anyone who plays the game will know the following to be true:

1. To use 7200 gold in one month but not use it to plus the account for weeks into the future would be nearly impossible
2. If you worked to get a top account, you certainly would not jeopardize it if you were at all at fault

I'm pretty sure since I am writing this blog, you can guess what happened next.

That's right. I spent an hour on the phone with my credit card company explaining the situation to them. The woman I talked to told me that they could give me credit for the charges I was disputing and that they would have to issue a "chargeback" to Travian to recoup the funds. I knew as soon as I agreed that my account would get banned at some point in the future.

I told her to go ahead with the chargeback and asked how I could make sure the account wouldn't get charged anymore, because I just wanted the charges to stop. She said she would put a note into the chargeback she was issuing to never charge my account number again. I also sent an email to the Travian people asking for a log of my gold usage. I know I haven't used that much gold and if they say I have, I want the logs to prove it.

Flash forward!

Yesterday, while my boyfriend and I were on our respective accounts, we both get messages saying our accounts had been banned, and that we could email a different email address from the one I had been dealing with to dispute our bans.

We both sent emails.

As of this moment, he has gotten a reply, I have not. I also haven't gotten the gold logs I asked for on April 10th. I made sure to mention them again in the mail I sent yesterday.

So there we have it. 2 accounts banned because the Travian billing department is faultily billing people for gold, and then banning their accounts when they have the audacity to complain.

I tried to work things out with them first. For 2 weeks I tried. But I felt I was left no other option.

I will likely post the email correspondence later, including the response that my boyfriend got from his mail yesterday (paraphrased it was: "Since the chargebacks cost Travian money, we are permenently banning your account.")

Background Story

I've been playing Travian for almost a year now. 2 rounds on USx to be precise. Half of round 3, all of round 4, and now half of round 5 (the current round) is behind us.

Travian is a free webbased war game. For those of us who want an extra edge, you can purchase gold for the game and then use the gold to give you bonuses in game. The bonuses are things like boosting your production rate 25% for 3 days, giving your account bonuses for 3 days (allowing you to build multiple buildings at once, sending merchants someone twice, etc).

It's a fun little timesink but not as demanding of your time as the MMO's that are out there (you don't HAVE to be at your computer from 8pm til 1am to help kill a boss).

The story I will relay in the posts that follow are about the parent company, Travian, and their shady business practices and billing policies.